|
Interview
With The Chairman Of HADEP Murat Bozlak
Kurdistan
Observer
Published
in daily Milliyet in Turkey on Oct 21, 2002
Translated
By: Mutlu CIVIROGLU
"WE
CAN WIN ALL SEATS OF DIYARBAKIR"
People’s
Democracy Party HADEP will enter the elections under the banner of Democratic
People’s Party DEHAP. Despite the efforts of the chief prosecutor of the
Supreme Court, the High Election Board ( YSK ) opened the way. What is the
possibility of a party entering the parliament which is mainly strong in South
East and mostly adressing to Kurdish votes? Will you be able to pass the
threshold?
Unfortunately, it’s
not happening without any negative events towards us in each of the elections.
In 1995 and 1999 HADEP had entered the elections, in spite of hard conditions
we had quite hopeful results. The last time, our vote was around 5 %. HADEP
was in a situation to enter the November 3 elections however when in the
parliament the decision of the elections were passed, the Prime Minister
claimed that HADEP’s enter to the parliament will be risky and made heavy
accusations against us and an anti HADEP front was created against us. After
that speech, our court case was brought to agenda again.
There is no need
to tension in Turkey. On the contrary we want peace and ease. We believe that
the Constructional Court will not close down our party but in case of any possibility
we withdrew HADEP from the elections. We are participating to the elections
from the lists of DEHAP.
When was DEHAP
established?
In 1997
Did it join to
1999 elections?
No. It is the
first time we are entering to the elections under the roof of DEHAP.
The Public
Prosecutor opposed that DEHAP has lack of overall national representation
That was rejected.
There isn’t any obstacles in front of DEHAP to take part in the elections.
We had already begun to electoral works.
What would happen
if the High Election Board ( YSK ) had confirmed the Public Prosecutor’s
objection?
The elections
would be canceled, there wasn’t any other way. A political party can not be
alone removed from the voting paper. DEHAP finished its organizing in 63
provinces, despite this, Public Prosecutor’s move created a paradox and a
negative impact over the voters. All of them remained behind. We are working
in all over Turkey.
How does DEHAP
appear?
Before the
electoral works began, our percentage was around 8-9 %. Since September 28, I
am traveling continuously, we are very comfortable in this election. We want
to decrease the 10 % threshold for the sake of democracy, it is no longer a
problem for us. Have a look to 3 coalition parties who didn’t want to
decrease the 10 % national threshold, according to polls it is clear that they
won’t be able to pass this threshold. If we enter to the parliament, we will
either abolish threshold or draw it to a reasonable proportion, we will change
the Laws of Political Parties and Elections. We will end the hegemony of the
leaders. Our problem is not the threshold, more than it whether or not there
would be fair elections. In South East anybody didn’t stand against us and
say "where are you going?"
Isn’t there
pressure of gendarme or police?
So far there isn’t.
We hadn’t been able to go many villages in 1999, even we had unfortunate
times that we were fired shots bullets in our convoys. We can also go to all
over Turkey like other parties. I hope and wish this nice atmosphere continues
until the end of the elections and the same positive atmosphere reflects to
poll boxes as well. If we are believing in to will of people and respect to
democracy, this is what it should be.
You mean the
conditions are much better than in 1999?
Yes. For example I
as the Chairman of HADEP was in prison in1999. Many of our friends were
arrested. Our party cadres and members were deprived of any possibilities for
the elections in all over Turkey. Now, all of us are working. If it goes on
like this, I believe we can easily pass the threshold. In South East, East and
in metropolitan cities like Istanbul our votes will increase.
How many votes did
you receive in past elections from Istanbul?
210 thousand
What is your
expectation in November 3?
1 million
How is the
situation in South East?
Look, let me give
an example from 1999; last time we couldn’t get the votes we expected from
rural areas. While our party received 65 % of all votes in Kiziltepe ( of
Mardin Province ) city center, we could only receive 1800 of 48 000 votes,
which means only 3 %. They were saying to our voters " do not vote for
HADEP". Where were the votes going? In 1995 to Welfare Party ( RP ) and
in 1999 to Virtue Party ( FP ) as a reaction to pressures against HADEP. Where
as we won 70 % in Diyarbakir city center, due to decrease in villages this
percentage fell down to 48 %. I just came to Istanbul from the ( Kurdish )
region, there is wonderful attention to DEHAP, we will receive our real votes
this time.
What about
Diyarbakir?
We can make 10-0 (
There are 10 seats in parliament from Diyarbakir
Isn’t DEHAP
finally an ethnical party built on Kurdish Identity like HADEP? Your power in
South East are not delivered equally in other parts of Turkey. You are seen as
a "Kurdish Party".
We said many
times; neither HADEP nor DEHAP, from whose lists we enter the elections, are
not parties who are organized in ethnically bases. We are not a Kurdish Party,
we are a party of Turkey who wants to hug 70 million people. Of course, the
Kurds too as the citizens of this county are people whom we want to hug as
well. We accept that there are different people who are belonging to different
cultures, who speak different languages and who have different belief. This is
our richness. When evaluating in a logical way, this situation is the power of
Turkey. What a pity, we misinterpret this and deny all the sub identities. The
fire burns down where it falls; in South East there were conflicts for years,
but the pains were suffered not only there but also all over of Turkey. In my
opinion, the Kurdish Question is not only HADEP’s or DEHAP’s but it is the
problem of all parties who call themselves " Party of Turkey". If we
are seen as a Kurdish Party only for our sensitivity to the
Kurdish Question, aren’t these parties in a seperatist
position as parties of Turkey who remain very indifferent to this issue?
Everybody who calls himself as a citizen of this country should be sensitive
in these matters.
If you enter to
the parliament, what will you do different from other parties?
The parliament
recently took in very important steps in the frame work European Union
Adoption Laws, which were also related to the Kurdish Question. The conflicts
stopped in the ( Kurdish ) Region and Turkey began to breath comfortably. We
weren’t able to travel before, we weren’t able to go out at nights in
Diyarbakir but now I came to Van from Hakkari at night, there was no problem.
Although people
are hungry and unemployment, they demand peace; a poor woman with her 7 months
old baby came to me and said "I want peace and brotherhood", because
she doesn’t want to go back to past! Everybody living in Turkey and all the
politicians have to hear this voice. Death penalty was abolished, it made an
important contribution to social peace and opened the path through the
European Union process. The rights of education and broadcast in mother tongue
are very important steps. Emergency Rule ( OHAL ) is abolishing too, the
Village Guard System should be lifted and state should provide returning of
forcibly migrated people.
What will you do
about Leyla Zana and other 4 former MPs?
We say, "just
practice the law". European Court of Human Rights has made a decision,
which says that there wasn’t a fair trial... Compensation was paid to them,
this is all. Before, the way to hold a retrial to have a new judgment was
closed, now after the last European Union Adoption Laws, it was made possible
to do that [to hold a new trial]. However the implantation was postponed for
one year in order not to release the MPs. If there is a judgment, they will be
released immediately...
When will they be
released in normal conditions?
In year 2005
Is the indirect
message of Ocalan from the Imrali prison about the elections being spoken in
the ( Kurdish ) region?
No. I didn’t
hear.
If we come back to
elections, doesn’t it mean that the political guns of HADEP or DEHAP which
they use in elections are being taken from them after softening of political
atmosphere in South East?
No. In the most
trouble times, we defended the Kurdish Question and paid price. People in the
region know this struggle very well. I wish, the other parties too, had
defended the problems of South East like us. We don’t consider any party as
a competitor to us. The chairman of TKP became candidate from Diyarbakir. AKP,
CHP, ANAP, they are all working but their expectation was DEHAP’s being
prevented from the elections and to share our votes. They are praying for our
not passing the threshold. We will enter the parliament and in most of the
cities in the region, we will give no seat to other parties. We are very
determined
How will the
religion factor effect the elections?
Sheikhness,
aghaness and feudalism are not as strong as before. The understanding of
"Master Sheikh came, let me go and kiss his clothes, not only my vote but
also my children be sacrifice" collapsed. There is an enormous change in
region; familial ties and the traditional impact of Muslim conservative
circles will turn towards to different political parties and candidates. Yet,
the overwhelming people power took part on DEHAP’s side now.
How will your
entering to the parliamant effect the process of European Union?
It will make a
very important contribution. We see the future of Turkey within the European
Union. Our first job will be getting a date for candidacy process ) in
Copenhagen.
How do you
evaluate the developments in North Iraq? What do you think about the Kurdish
Parliament and the possible attack against Iraq?
We don’t believe
that external intervenes are beneficial. We don’t approve the Saddam
administration, to confirm his regime means forgetting the massacre of 5 000
Kurds in Halabja. Iraq is not the matter of this day, again it is not the
first time that the matter of the ( Kurdish ) parliament is coming to the
agenda. These groups were given passports in Ozal time and good relations were
created with them. Today, this situation is exaggerated and being used as a
means of elections; blustering speeches are being made, by saying that
"there is a Kurdish State being established, it separates us as well, we
won’t allow it"
If a Federation or
a Kurdish State is established in North Iraq, how is the South East effected
from this? Do, our Kurdish origin citizens, separate in the course of the
time?
No. I know the
region very well. It doesn’t happen, it is an unnecessary fear. We don’t
want war, the Saddam regime must be removed by Iraq’s own domestic dynamics.
If there will be a new formation, a democratic administration or a federation
doesn’t harm Turkey. It doesn’t mean a separated Kurdish state. A solution
within territorial integrity of Iraq, a structure like Germany who has a
centered government might be established. Such a solution is much better that
Saddam regime. Our Kurdish citizens living in Turkey are not in favor of a
separated state. They do not have ideas like separation and independence. They
demand their democratic rights within territorial integrity of Turkey. The
persons in the mountains are not coming down by making long speeches!
Are you prepared (
for the parliament )?
Believe me, DEHAP’s
entering the parliament will add colour to the parliament. Let nobody worry
about us. Representatives of DEHAP will work for the economical development of
the country and a Turkey without any prohibitions. They will be the true
defenders of the secular, democratic republic. Sometimes, some officials make
statements on behalf of the state, mentioning that, "there are 5 000
armed PKK militants waiting and they are a potential threat for the
security". This is a correct evaluation, that is true that 5 000
militants are existing; [ 500 of them are inside of our borders, others in
North Iraq ] but we must solve this problem.
Are you proposing
an amnesty?
The solution is
that the parliament should take in courageous steps. Fearing or hesitating can
not solve the essential problems of Turkey
How will it be?
In our opinion,
the legal arrangements should be prepared to provide disarming of those
people. It can not be provided by long blustering speeches. When a legal
arrangement is made, that is possible that the youth carrying arms in the
mountains can come as well. This is possible. The heavy penalties prevent them
to come, and the confessing law is not a solution. There can be a General
Amnesty.
Won’t this
initative be criticized?
We are not making
pro Kurdishness, we are participating to elections with the representatives
addressing to all Turkey. We are the party who has given the largest place to
women. We have 103 women candidates, most of whom are in very top ranks, only
in Diyarbakir we have 3 women candidates who are in electable ranks. We must
change our view to woman.
Translated By: Mutlu
CIVIROGLU
Former Coordinator
of HADEP International Relations
|