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Massoud Barzani Warns Turkey Against Invasion

DIE ZEIT

 

http://www.zeit.de/2002/37/Politik/200237_spaziergang_gen.html

Kurdistan Observer

Sep 5, 2002

 

The weekly German journal "DIE ZEIT" published today an interview with the Kurdish leader Massud Barzani. Because of it’s importance (www.amude.com) has translated it from German to English.


Interview by: Namo Aziz
Translated by: Sirwan Heci Berko

DIE ZEIT: Is there an agreement between you and Washington over an attack against Iraq?

 

Barzani: Discussions take place, but there is no agreement so far. The United States needs us because we know the area. And the Kurds are the only ones who have relentlessly fought against Saddam. With our modern weapons, we could win the war even without America

DIE ZEIT: Can you imagine that Saddam could attack the Kurds with poisonous gas like he did in 1988, before being attacked by the US?

 

Barzani: Yes. Kurdistan has always been the laboratory for Saddam’s weapons of mass-destruction.

DIE ZEIT: Countries like Turkey, Jordan and Kuwait want to secretly provide their territories to America in the case of an attack. Should the Kurds do the same?

 

Barzani: It is crucial that Saddam is eliminated. Just as important as the question is who comes after Saddam and how will Iraq be ruled? Before we make concessions to the United States, we want the guarantee of a federal system.

DIE ZEIT: Do you speak in view of the approaching war with your opponent Jalal Talabani?

 

Barzani: To topple Saddam is more important than our differences.

DIE ZEIT: Is Saddam’s army good enough for the US?

 

Barzani: On paper Saddam has 400,000 soldiers. But he has disgraced their honour. They are only fodder for him. It is only a question of time, when Saddam’s soldiers will rise to destroy him.

DIE ZEIT: Saddam invited Hans Blix, the UN supervising inspector to Baghdad. Should it take place at all?

 

Barzani: The west should not accept this cat and-mouse-games any longer.

DIE ZEIT: How long will it take to destroy Saddam’s death machinery?

 

Barzani: At least fifty years - and that if Saddam lets the inspectors do their work.

DIE ZEIT: What do you think about the criticism by many Europeans of the American war plans?

 

Barzani: If you could ask half million of Kurdish and Arab political prisoners, you would find too much understanding for them. It is wrong to disaffiliate this conflict as a thing of the US, because it concerns us all.

DIE ZEIT: Would a war be dangerous for America?

 

Barzani: No, it would not be. It would be like the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan and against Manuel Noriega in Panama.

DIE ZEIT: Saddam says that he will leave Iraq to the US only in the form of ash.

 

Barzani: Today, not yet. But if Saddam remains in power, perhaps- such an act of insanity would also meet different countries.

DIE ZEIT: You want an autonomous Kurdistan in a federal Iraq. Will the oil city Kirkuk belong to Iraq then, as Saddam says?

 

Barzani: We would give our life to our enemies, but not Kirkuk. Kirkuk remains the heart of Kurdistan.

DIE ZEIT: Don’t you and Talabani strive any longer for a free Kurdistan?

 

Barzani: That is our largest desire. But in the today’s situation, since no one supports us, autonomy is the more realistic goal.

DIE ZEIT: Recently, it has been claimed by Turkish government circles that wherever a Kurdish State develops, they will destroy it.

Barzani:  Empty threats. We would not give up an inch of land to the Turks.. Not only will our soldiers fight but also our women, young people and the elderly. A Kurdish uprising would turn our streets into a graveyard for Turkish soldiers. Turkey should instead protect the rights of the 15 million Kurds in their country.

DIE ZEIT: How does it come that Turkey lets only some oil-loaded trucks pass the control point of the border crossing with Chabur and hardly any other vehicles?

Barzani: That is an embargo against the Kurdish people. Since long Turkey also wants to turn the water off. To their disappointment, they must regard how we flourish.

DIE ZEIT: What is your relationship with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party?

 

Barzani: We respect each other and do not interfere in each other’s business.

DIE ZEIT: Many Kurds criticize the "oil for food" program, with which the UN permits Baghdad limited oil export to purchase food and medicines. Do the sanctions benefit the Kurds?

Barzani: We make up 15 to 17 per cent of the Iraqi population – but Saddam registers us as only 13 per cent. Only the aides, with which the Iraqis cannot do anything, arrive for us. Patients in our hospitals are missing basic equipments and lie there with temperatures up to 50 degrees. Nevertheless we don’t beg, we pay with our oil for their assistance.

 

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